Monday, September 29, 2008

Does Excommunication Mean No Graduation?

I read the blurb below from Paul Rolly in the Salt Lake Tribune this morning or go to www.sltrib.com/ci_10588062

"You might remember Chad Hardy, the young entrepreneur who got in trouble with the LDS Church for producing and distributing "Men on a Mission" calendars,
featuring pictures of bare-chested Mormon missionaries with expressions suggesting more than proselyting on their minds. Hardy was excommunicated for his indiscretion last July.
Now, it appears a second shoe has dropped. Having completed all his requirements for graduation from BYU, Hardy wondered why he hadn't received his diploma, Hardy wrote on a Web site often visited by fallen Mormons.
He discovered his graduation status had not been sent to the BYU records center and he should contact his adviser, who told him his diploma and records had a "nonacademic hold" on them and that he was to speak to the executive director of Student Academic & Advisement Services. She told Hardy he fulfilled all requirements for graduation and she had no other information, he wrote on his site.
He finally was told by an official that a letter was being drafted to explain to him the problem, the details of which he still doesn't know."

So good reader, if all this turns out to be accurate, do you think Chad Hardy should be unable to graduate from BYU since he was excommunicated?

18 comments:

Doug Wallace said...

My opinion is based on the assumption that Chad was still enrolled at BYU when he was excommunicated. IF this is the case, then BYU has the right to kick him out at their discretion and refuse to award him his diploma. However, if he had already completed the semester back in May BEFORE he was excommunicated, and therefore was no longer enrolled, then BYU has NO grounds for witholding his diploma and he should contact a lawyer. Please tell me it is the former not the latter. If not, this could get very messy for the LDS church and BYU.

Anonymous said...

Good reason not to go to BYU. Academic freedom???

Molly Mormon said...

Doug,

This is what Chad wrote in August, so it looks like he walked, but then the actual diploma never arrived,

"I wanted to let everyone know that I will be walking across the stage at BYU to receive my BS in Communications on August 15!! Everything is set with my student counselor, I got an email yesterday. I order my cap and gown tomorrow, and I could not be more thrilled. How many people can say they walked across the stage at BYU and got their diploma as an excommunicate?"

Molly Mormon said...

Here's his post on not getting his diploma:

Hello - it's been a while since I have posted, have had a super busy month!



First of all, I want to say WAY TO GO FLAT LANDER! It appears the church is sending a very strong message that it's their way or the highway, and they obviously do not care about bad PR.



Which is why I am posting today -



I have not received my diploma from BYU, so I called yesterday to check on the status as to when I should expect it. Well, the records office said my graduation had not been submitted and that I needed to speak to my adviser. So I called the advisement center and they could not tell me why my graduation had not been posted, and said I had to schedule a meeting with my adviser. So that was today.



My adviser told me that she was informed that my diploma and my records have a "non-academic hold" on them, and that I was to speak to the Executive Director of Student Academic & Advisement Services. She also told me that I have fulfilled all requirements for graduation and had no other information.



So I called this guy named Norm Finlinson. He said that he apologized that I had not received a letter, but that one was being drafted to explain the hold. I asked if he could tell me the reason, and he said he does not "discuss matters over the phone."


Wow, the church has no mercy.

Anonymous said...

If he was excommunicated while attending BYU, he should not be able to graduate. Everyone knows the standards required before attending BYU and should adhere to them. Since the school is funded by LDS $$ they have a right to enforce the rules governed by them.

Anonymous said...

He was excommunicated prior to graduation, from the sounds of it, so "them's the breaks, kid." What bothers me more than anything is his half-bragging that he was going to walk as an excommunicate. Does he expect applause, admiration, and a pat on the back?

djinn said...

This is crazy, guys. He finished his course work prior to the excommunication, right? They're just being mean; they're just sticking it to him because they can? Where did he break BYU Standards?

This is a very sore point for me because something similar almost happened to a friend of mine; her bishop decided, without a shred of evidence, that she was sinning and just about got her thrown out of BYU and the church. Her family had some connections, though, so .....

Anonymous said...

He broke BYU standards because he broke the Honor Code that he signed every year that he enrolled! What the heck?

Anonymous said...

Here are the basics of the Honor Code:

Be honest Observe Dress and Grooming Standards

Obey the law and all campus policies Participate regularly in church services

Live a chaste and virtuous life

Use clean language

Respect others

Abstain from alcoholic beverages, tobacco, tea, coffee, and substance abuse

Encourage others in their commitment to comply with the Honor Code

I can see 5 different ways that it could be considered that Chad Hardy broke his own commitment to BYU's standards.

Anonymous said...

I think this is just wrong on the part of BYU. It isn't easy to get a bachelor's degree. And sometimes people change as they grow up. Yes, it was a stupid move for Chad to do the calendar before he graduated, but he finished the classes he paid for, and he even walked at graduation. I think BYU should be ashamed for pulling this crap. Is it not enough that they ex-communicated the guy? They are going to make all the time and effort he put into school null and void? What happened to loving your enemies, and being kind to those who mistreat you?

Anonymous said...

I am confused, BYU is a Uninversity. A center for higher learning and a place to think outside of our normal patterns. Chad put the calendar together, but in saying that, he was not on his mission and didn't hold a gun to anyones head to pose.

If this young man's courses are completed, with good grades, his tutition has been paid, and his attendance was adequate; there is absolutely no reason he should not recieve his accreditation. This will cause a HUGE back-slide for the status of our educational institution.

TSK-TSK all those that would judge on the basis of a bad choice and forgo all the good ones.

Anonymous said...

Rules are in place for a reason. BYU honor code was broken, there is a consequence like all wrong choices. If we push the honor code to the side for one,,,we must do it for all. Then where would the standards for the school be? What about the other students who have to see this guy mocking their faith? Let this guy be a grown up and pay the consequences of his actions. Obey the rules or get the heck out!

Anonymous said...

Chad Hardy was excommunicated for reasons other/in addition to the calendar. We don't know what they are because these things are done privately. If he was doing other things that caused him to get excommunicated, they would most likely also have broken the Honor Code he signed to attend BYU.

Anonymous said...

As a semi-informed BYU alum, my understanding is that Honor Code violations are handled by the wonderful Honor Code Office. When a person has a problem/reported violation, an investigation is launched.. which he would have be made aware of and been interviewed... This is separate from the church court.

My sister went through this during her freshman year. She was on some kind of double secret probation for the next semester in order to give time for her reform. She was not kicked out for BYU effective retro-actively to her "alcohol-bender in front of her roommates" night.

By the way - how many BYU athletes are EVER asked to actually follow the honor code at all? In my opinion, BYU is very inconsistent with their Honor Code prosecutions.

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